Scheduling 123 turns in YVR

Lisa DeAnnuntis

December 30, 2022 at 12:04 pm #15413

Why in the world would you have scheduled turns of 1:23 in YVR!

So you know out of SEA this flight is 19 to 20 min and is over blocked so with flow, specials you are always early.

in the past these turns were flagged and built into a RON.  So I’m hoping this was an over site, a mistake by your team.

The DL station is pretty upset over this as well as they do not have the staffing to babysit a plane while we clear customs.  So they had to shut down the ticket counter Way early.

It’s one thing to have IROP which is understandable but to have it built this way even on the last round trip of a 4 day or any part of a trip is completely irresponsible unless we are compensated.

Let’s work smarter not harder

Brent Coates (SIA Rep)

December 31, 2022 at 10:12 am #15465

Hi Lisa,

Thanks for reaching out. There was no mistake with the scheduling process for the YVR turns.  The reply in the forums on SWOL is the same messaging and response you will get from me, for others interested in that response, I have copied and pasted it below.  For future reference, if I were working that flight and the captain wanted to leave early, I would make sure he knew that there would be a chance we’d have to deplane and go through customs.

Further, the only thing that wasn’t mentioned in the response, is that in December and January pairings we have continued to battle against pilot staffing shortages where turning this into a RON is not feasible at all, we simply don’t have the crew to do that.  Again, your circumstance appears to be the anomaly and not the norm, and Delta appears to have reduced the turn time to avoid this issue since they are the ones that schedule the departure times.

I hope you had a wonderful holiday season and have a Happy New Year.

Thanks.

Brent Coates

SIA Rep — Scheduling Committee

Forum response on SWOL:

If the airplane sits less than 90 minutes on the ground in Canada, it is common practice for the crew to remain on the aircraft.  We do not have any turn times that exceed the 90 minutes (including the 1:23), so the scheduled crew should not have to deplane and go through customs. In this case however, the crew departed SEA early which put them into YVR early, causing a sit time of 1:36 (over 90 minutes) which is the reason they were required to deplane and go through customs.  Looking back in December, we don’t see any other instances of the crew being asked to deplane.  There were some 1:23 turns in December, built in by mainline, and some 1:23 turns again the first week of January.   After that, the turn times are less than 1:00